Wow, this is a sign of how behind I've been.
Allow me to start off from the top of her work, and ease my way down.
"First off, I want to commend your excellent grasp of the background of this presidential debate. I applaud you for shunning the propaganda of overly-liberal political outlets and embracing the “truths” of what people SAY."
Indeed. Reaching past the propaganda has always been my idea of truth-seeking. I'm not one to just accept what's handed to her on her plate.
"Indeed, while you have touched a myriad of excellent points and flooded the reader with a goldmine of quotes, you are NOT going to win over one liberal Black who has the slightest knowledge of his own history. Not one. Why? Because you have taken perfectly valid points made by Blacks and shunned them as irrelevant--without even making the slightest attempt to consider them in context."
Firstly, I'm not here to 'win over' so to speak. Conversion is a choice, not something to be forced. I only present some food for thought. The quotes I took from blacks were not valid, they were bullshit, right up there in the same smelly pile as the rest of the quotes from the other liberals. I'm not a racist, and I hate it when people act so racist...especially those always complaining of racism.
"For example, you quoted a Lorenzo Komboa Ervin as saying, “Now [African Americans] are supposed to fight and die for a racist, corrupt government in yet another imperialist war… for a country where we still have limited social, economic and political rights, and where we are still subject to death by any racist cop or citizen, where there is widespread poverty, mass imprisonment of the youth, and massive unemployment concentrated in the Black community. The obvious question is what the hell are we fighting for?"
To this highly relevant contention, your “only comment” was, “If you live here, then shut the hell up”."
Alright, so they should be allowed to exempt themselves from fighting since they themselves are black...hmm...it sounds oddly, I dunno...what's the word? Oh, right! Racist! It sounds oddly racist! As if feeding the frenzy and being racist is somehow going to make other people stop it. If you live here, then shut the hell up, or move out. What's happened happened, what's done is done. We're not all innocent, some of us do owe blacks an apology. On the flipside, some blacks owe whites an apology. It's not a racist issue, it's not a national issue...it's a personal issue. Keep your problems between yourself and the perpetrator, between yourself and your victem. If someone does you wrong, you're due an apology, sure...but this Nation is to blame for nothing. It keeps blacks in school (My present roommate in my school housing apartment is black), it keeps them in jobs, it gives them homes...
Yet for some reason whenever someone besides a black harms or otherwise trespasses agaisnt a black, they always throw that fucking race card out on the table. Your skin color is not an excuse! I don't give a fuck if you're black, white, or, for whatever reason, green! I don't care that I'm white! It's just how we are, what's wrong with accepting it?
As I said, we're not all innocent, but you can't hold our nation to blame for personal vendettas, you can't decide that a few bad apples spoils the whole tree. If for some reason you believe throwing 'racist' charges like crazy is somehow going to eliminate your problems, or abolish racism, then think again...
So shut the hell up, and accept that a lot of people really do not owe you shit, shut the hell up and accept that you owe it to this nation to atleast accept that it's not perfect, and neither are you, but that we all try to get over our problems. We try, so start putting forth some effort yourself, and stop getting by on racist shit.
"Come on. Clearly, European—and, yes, American—imperialism has destroyed, to various extents, the culture and/or economy of the majority of non-European—and [several] European—countries on the planet. All it takes is a moderate knowledge of history to confirm that."
Everyone's histories, culteres, and economies have, at one point or another, suffered from someone, if not everyone, else's actions. Being at the front of the line doesn't matter. In this regard, all nations are guilty, and all are victems at the same time.
"As a result of this fact, the average member of an American racial minority group literally has nowhere better to go. The way that Black Americans, in particular, ‘became’ American, coincidentally, makes any discernible tie to any mother nation other than the U.S. non-existent. Non-immigrant Blacks are “stuck with America” because, proportionately, their families have been “American” for more generations than Non-immigrant White families. Yet, American Blacks are continually treated as second-class citizens."
Oh, they have nowhere better to go? Funny, I thought America owed them so much...sounds more like they owe America. If nothing else, a 'thank you for putting up with our race card bullshit for so long' would be nice. I don't demande your money or your life or anything, and neither does anyone else worth the time of day. As for how black americans 'became' American...well...I see it this way. Their country decided they were to be sold, and America bought them. Not right on either side, but given the American's thought the black slaves were obviously worth more than the money they cost, why do the American's always get the shit over slavery? Go fucking complain to Africa...they're as much to blame as the American's of old. They're the ones that sold the blacks in the first place.
Geez...stop piling your shit on America and white americans and maybe I'll cut everyone a little more slack. I don't respect racists, regardless of skin color, and I don't respect those that look for a scapegoat for all their problems.
"Attempts at aiding Blacks in the struggle for equality are continually shunned and misinterpreted. Blacks disproportionately make up the lower-class. They are continually underemployed by this nation’s corporations. They continually make up the majority of those accused of and tried for crimes, which studies show they commit only marginally relative to their prosecution rates. They are continually dealt harsher sentences for these crimes, doomed to devote considerable portions of their lives to this nation’s only legalized form of slavery. Their males are disenfranchised at upwards from 13% in some parts of the nation. From higher interest rates for loans to a higher probability of being gunned down by an officer while unarmed, Blacks are given the raw end of the deal here in America, and, yet, your response is literally to “shut the hell up”."
If it weren't for the fact my black liberal roommate tells me the blacks gunned down usuall ask for it in their actions (Running from officers, making strange motions with their hands in the dark, i.e. getting something from their pocket, and it being mistaken for reaching for a gun), then I might consider the point more valid. I've yet to see a black gunned down, even unarmed, that didn't all but shout for it to happen. Maybe if more white people ran off, or tried reaching for a cigarette in the dark while a cop was moving in, it'd happen more to them too, and even you can't deny it does happen often enough. Some problems people just ask for, we're not to blame for other's mistakes.
And not ten miles from me is a neighborhood full of blacks, laden with crime, where even a black cop can't drive through without someone yelling 'racist' at him. High crime and murder rates, no one drives through it at night if they can help it. Is it because they're black? No, I don't think so. It's because they rely too much on the race card to get away with shit. If they rob someone, they say the person is racist for accusing them, a black, or being the culprit. If someone gets shot, whoever shot them is automatically labeled racist. Why is this? Are blacks somehow protected from all wrong because of the color of their skin?
Do me a favor, race-riding swine, and shut the hell up.
"The response of White Conservative America to these injustices too often echoes your own: “Yes, Black America, you have been here for decades upon decades, but Jesus, we are tired of your bitching. We are heartily sorry for the sins of our ancestors, but let our descendents be sorry for our own. Please just shut the hell up.”"
Wait, wait, wait...so, you're saying we should bear the trouble and shit started by our ancestors? Damn, I'm tired of this attitude...I'm tired of this bitching. Please just shut the hell up, and work for a better future as a whole nation, not one divided by your damned racist grudges.
"Can you honestly say that Blacks are not put at a disadvantage in today’s society? You certainly cannot. Can you, knowing what [I assume] you know of the history of Blacks in America, say that Blacks don’t have a right to an equal quality of life in America? Again, you cannot. Don’t Blacks, at least, have a right to voice their complaints? They do. And, your take-it-or-LEAVE attitude in regard to Blacks is, therefore, disgusting and distasteful."
You know, you're right...blacks do have a right to equal treatment. Silly me, I must've forgotten to mention that...and here I thought I was only complaining about the blacks, and liberals in general, who are supporting and building racism, on all fronts and races, throughout America...
Yes, they are at a disadvantage in Today's society...under Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton things rather fell for them. If only we could have Reagon back...things were much better for everyone, blacks included, under him. If only we could be so lucky again...
But so far it hasn't happened, and probably won't for some time. Take it or leave it. This is what we have, and we should try to make the best of it, not spend all our time complaining. Just shut the hell up, and try to make something out of your life.
Disgusting and distasteful my ass...
"You seem to live in a vacuum, wherein race has no consequence in modern society. You say, “The only people who were put to death were people who had earned the punishment through the immensity of their crimes. Neither whites, blacks, nor Hispanics were exempt from these.” Yet, this is a lie."
I'm not living in a vacuum. I hold no racial grudges, and merely get pissed when someone holds them with me or the nation I believe in. Why holds grudges when we can better put our efforts towards eliminating racism altogether? Hmm?
"White collar individuals suspected of murder exist beyond O.J. Simpson. Yet, most of these individuals never even see trial. And, yes, these individuals, who buy their one way ticket beyond the arm of the law, are primarily white. Even those closer to working-class America have found Blacks a convenient cop-out. White woman itching to murder your children? The perfect solution in modern America is to blame a non-existent Black guy. (Real life is stranger than fiction)."
Just out of curiosity...does that really work? Do people really get away with it? Odd, I don't remember hearing anything like that in the Liberal News Daily recently...I'd like to know just how to get away with it. I need some cash for my phone bill next month and I'm running low.
Yeesh...
Plenty of people see trial. It's just that the liberal media makes sensations when they're black. Open your eyes and stop following the media propaganda.
"You assert that ‘to have let some blacks and Hispanics go just to even out the racial odds would only be racist, and a crime to humanity,’ but you seem to ignore the reality of the White rapists and murders who ‘get off’ every year for no other reason than ‘privilege’. Even our First Lady killed one of her best friends in a, likely, drunken Senior-year car accident. She did so without so much as a manslaughter charge against her. To loosely compare that to the issue at hand, when nefarious justice-evading schemes far worse than these are revealed—schemes that are generally spearheaded by white men—it’s no wonder that ONLY White America seems shocked. That’s far from fair."
Yeah, I see...only the whites are let go...I mean, it's not concievably possible that blacks and hispanics and asians, among others, might possibly be released with the media turning blind eyes to them. They couldn't possibly be lying to us...
Look beyond what you see in front of you. The truth isn't always so easy to see. On the surface it looks like many whites are released, but many more are put to death, or jailed for life, or given other varying sentences. Stop giving me this media shit and spouting it about as truth.
"Your perception of slavery and its contemporary relevance fares no better than your perception of minority justice. The heart disease that is slowing killing thousands upon thousands of Blacks every year is rooted in the diet slavery forced upon Black America. The balm (Affirmative Action) for 400 years of slavery and oppression is being dismissed by Americans in droves after less than four decades. The fortunes of this nation’s oldest and most prestigious families were built by slaves, while the descendents of said slaves have inherited nothing but distrust, miseducation, bitterness and poverty. But, when Blacks say that they are owed something from this country—a something that many reparations activists identify as nothing more than equal education—your immediate response is that this debt is “bullshit”. You don’t even consider the possibility that this clearly wronged group is owed anything. …Because slavery, a historical reality with repercussions America seems all-but-in-denial-of is “behind us…or at least it should be”."
Firstly, if all they wanted was equal rights, equal education, anything along that...fine, I can see where someone might be pissed if they didn't get it. It's when they start asking for more; money, property, posessions...it's when they start feeling that WE owe THEM our shit because of mistakes plagueing the history of our and their ancestors, it's when this shit piles up that I feel things need to be slapped back into place. If it's just equal education, I can walk around my school on any given day and guarantee you that atleast around here they are getting it. If it's equal rights, they recieve it.
This should be behind us. But it never will be if people don't drop it. As long as blacks hold racial grudges, racism and distrust towards blacks will never cease.
"It is difficult to discuss Blacks in America without sounding angry—whether or not one is Black, himself. It is within this context that you must consider the quotes by so many of the Americans whose defense of and commentary on Black behavior and grievances you have so readily rejected. In grouping these individuals with, say, Louis Farrakhan, you have too hastily categorized them as fanatic. For instance, Julianne Malveaux’s commentary upon the Fourth of July references the significance of the date of this nation’s independence to a slave. July 4, 1776 ought not necessarily signify anything resembling freedom to someone whose ancestors were not even legally considered a human being in this country until a summer almost one hundred years later, in 1865! Even today, the Bell Curves of this nation’s highest institutions of learning call into question the fundamental merit of the claims to genuine [read: equal] humanity by those Blacks only a few generations descended from these emancipated slaves."
If you don't want to celebrate July 4th, then don't. But it's no reason to shun or disrespect it, and those of us who do celebrate it. I could care less if you don't want to celebrate. I do care when suddenly it's mocked, or put down, or spat upon by anyone. If you live here, if you are a citizen of the US, then act like one, or atleast try. Salute the flag, say the pledge, be thankful we live in as good a nation as we do. Be happy we have what we have, instead of bitching about what we don't. But don't decide you're going to live here, demand that we owe you things, and then diss our traditions, just because you don't see a point in it for yourself.
"My only criticism to your stance against liberals is the naivety with which race relations in America is approached. It is a harsh one because America is not united. There is an ugly history beneath the façade of unity which is, in the context of this election, increasingly laughable. It’s high time my fellow conservatives recognized this past and its role in the present. This resistance may well be the difference between scarcely maintaining political power, forfeiting it outright, and earning it in abundance.
--Jennifer Braden"
The sooner we stop holding racial grudges, and release racial prejudice, the better. Until people can accept the mistakes of our forefathers, can accept the crimes against their own, and move on to a better path, we're only going to sink further and further into ruin. I don't approach the subject naively, I don't approach any subject I don't feel I have a good enough grasp upon. I just tend to look at things in a much, much different light than people. And if they decide it's better to bitch and moan and whine about things instead of trying to make them better, then fuck them. I'm tired of hearing 'blacks' this and 'whites' that. I'm waiting for the day we're all just 'people' in everyones' eyes. But the way the almighty abolishers of racism work, I don't see that happening anytime soon...
Ta-ta,
Lunaris




